Join us for an interview with Mysteries Decoded’s host, Jennifer Marshall, on The Pilot Podcast. She’s served in the Navy, trained to become a private investigator, works as an actress, is a mom, does modeling, produces and so much more. Listen for some awesome stories like what went on behind the scenes of CW’s Mysteries Decoded and what happens when people notice Jennifer has been investigating them.
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Welcome to The Pilot Podcast! This week we have a special guest. Today we're joined by the wonderful and talented host of Mysteries Decoded, Jennifer Marshall.
Thank you guys. Thank you for having me. I appreciate the invite.
Welcome, Jennifer. Can you tell us a little bit about yourself? Introduce yourself to our listeners?
Sure. So I joined the Navy at 17. I was from a one stoplight town so I jumped at the chance to join. I served for five years. I deployed in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom. And after I got out of the military, I went to college and later I went to PI school. So now I'm a licensed private investigator in the state of California, and I have a show called Mysteries Decoded on The CW that you guys covered.
Awesome. So thinking about your career, did you ever see it heading in this direction?
Oh, my gosh, no. No, if you would have told me when I was a kid, you're going to be an actor. I would said what? No, there's no way. And then if you would have told me that getting my PI license and opening up my company would end up in a TV show, I would have said this is insane. There's no way... this does not happened to me. It doesn't happen to anybody, but especially me.
And what was the journey from opening up your office? I think you said in 2014, to having this show five years later.
So I actually went to PI School in 2014. It takes a long time to get your hours. So the state of California requires 6000 hours. And that's because they don't want paparazzos going to PI School, getting their license, looking up where stars live. Yeah, it's... you know, it's a serious thing in California and New York, and they want to make sure that people are committed to the career and they're doing it for the right reasons. So it took me years to get hours for me to open up my own company. It took a long time. But I'm glad that it's that stringent because somebody who's in the public eye now, I don't want people to be able to look up where I live. And imagine if I was Channing Tatum or Megan Fox or something, it would probably be a million times worse.
And so it seems that even more recently, you became a PI. So what was that journey, like from becoming a PI to it sounds like a couple years later or so hosting the show?
Well, since 2014, I've worked for a few different private investigators. When you're getting your license, it takes a long time to get hours. So I've worked on a lot of different cases. You know, I have thousands of hours of investigative experience. So what I do in my company, and when I was working for other PIs, it's very different than what I do on the show. For the show, it's a historical investigation show and no one in their right mind is going to say, Jennifer, we're going to pay you all expenses paid to go see what's happening in the Bermuda Triangle. And we're going to pay you for shooting every single day and we're going to cover your meals. That is not a thing. So when The CW said, you know, we want to do this and we want to order the series. That's kind of an amazing once in a lifetime thing. You guys are going to pay for me to do that. And yeah, of course, it's a no brainer, you know.
So I imagine they are entirely different investigative styles, though my entire knowledge of PIs is Gumshoe Mysteries. But I'm curious, are there any of those investigative skills or skills from your vast career, right? From the military to teaching in Uganda to modeling and acting that you have applied on Mysteries Decoded as you look into these mysteries?
Oh, yes, there are so many things. People think that being an actor and being a PI are worlds apart. And you know, in some aspects they are but in other aspects, reading people as an actor, I read people in class on set, you know, when we're rehearsing, I read people all the time. You learn how to read people, when you're an acting school. It's the same as a PI, you read people differently, but it's all about body language. And you know, things people do with their face that you don't necessarily know if you're not in that business or if you're not an acting, you kind of just take an expression, and it is what it it is you don't consider micro expressions. So there's a lot of crossover there. And I think the biggest thing that's helped me in the show is just attention to detail. There are so many things that people overlook. Or you know, as an investigator, it's hard, because sometimes you can get overwhelmed, but I've noticed that a few of the older investigators that I know, they kind of just go with, okay, this is what we think happened. And they kind of just chase that. And I don't ever do that. I look at what are all these things that possibly could have happened. And on the show, we branch out into all these different things. We shoot enough for three episodes. We just don't air all of that. There's 41 minutes that's aired, but we have probably 20 hours of footage, I would say, because we chase down every possible lead.
Oh, wow. So BJ and I actually ended up watching more episodes of the show. And I really value the perspective you bring to Mysteries Decoded. As you said, it's so interesting that you bring your skills and your love of facts to these sometimes nebulous cases. And BJ was especially into it as a scientist, he kept agreeing with you as we watch. But I'm curious if anyone has moved you or shifted your perspective a bit. For example, in the Area 51 episode, I think the journalists name was Nate, he brought out tons of stuff. And then you met with that aeronautical engineer who confirmed that like maybe the UFO was spinning and that you like connected to all those military professionals. And that one radar specialist at the end, who was like, if he said he saw it, he saw it, like this is clearly their perspective. And so I'm curious about if you've been moved, because I certainly am a bit of a skeptic. And I was shaken by the end of that episode.
You know, Area 51 was a doozy. I'll say, you know, with the Montauk experiments, people were talking about time travel. And I think I've must have rolled my eyes out of my head 85 times during the episode because I was just so insane. You know, but something like Area 51... you know, in next week's episode, the Bermuda Triangle, I'm in love with science so any anytime I can talk to somebody who's a scientist who can give me an explanation that's actually based in something, and not just for folklore, I'm always about it. But Area 51, you know, the thing that kills me about the UFO situation, these videos that were released, is people like to kind of default to oh, they want fame, they want fortune that's why they're coming forward. There were two people that I interviewed off camera who are Navy veterans who were involved in the event that happened off the USS Nimitz in 2004. Those people don't want fame, those people don't want fortune, they've never come forward. They have not allowed me to release their names or give any identifying details. So when I'm talking to these people, when I'm talking to Lieutenant Colonel Sarduy, which I've known Jose for eight years.
The pilot, yes. So when I'm talking to these people, especially... there was a pilot that came forward who had, Commander Fravor, he was not on our episode, but he had 3500 flight hours. So for him to come forward and say, I saw this object, I don't know what it is. And I saw some sort of docking station that was in the ocean. That did not make the final edit, because we would have had to go into that. That to me is terrifying sort of stuff. And I definitely am, you know, show me the proof. But when there's all these things that we can't explain, I think it's rather naive to stick your head in the sand and say, well, if I don't see extraterrestrials, they must not exist. Because the fact is, we don't have any idea. With a septillion planets, it's pretty narcissistic to sit back and say, yeah, we're the only ones and we're intelligent life. If they've been here, we are not intelligent on their level whatsoever.
True, I really appreciated the credence that you gave to each of the beliefs and also the fact that one man had had the same story for 30 years. And I understand it's only a, you know, 40 or so minute episode, like you said, you have, you know, hours and hours of more content, but it was wild that the clips of him saying, you know, when it flips is when the like, it's shifting its own gravity, and then you literally see that on the screen.
You know, Bob Lazar when he came forward, the whistleblower, 30 years ago, I didn't hear about him 30 years ago. Clearly I was a child at that point but I had heard about it later. And I looked at that and I said, yeah, the guy's probably a kook. He's probably looking for attention. When I really started looking into this... and there's websites that try to debunk Bob and somebody sent me one this morning. And I said, okay, knowing what I know, even just being in the military, this is full of errors. Now, am I saying that Bob's 100% accurate? No, I'm not. Am I saying that Bob was actually at S4? No, I don't know that. But the fact is, Bob has come forward. And Bob said, I worked at Los Alamos and Los Alamos said, no, no, he never worked here. Well, then a base kind of white pages popped up, base yellow pages, and there was his name. Hmm, that's funny. Then people were saying he was bringing people to this area and saying you're going to see craft, right now on three or four different occasions and it happened. His story has remained relatively unchanged over 30 years, he has not even tried to monetize off of it. When he went on the Joe Rogan podcast, he insisted on paying his own way to get there. He wouldn't even let Joe buy him a plan ticket. So there's something to be said about somebody who says, you know what, this is my story, probably wouldn't believe it if I were you, I'm not here to convince you, I'm just here to give you this information and I came for it because I know if I didn't, something would have happened to me.
And so with this show, you're really covering a lot of hot button cases like the Bermuda Triangle, Lizzie Borden, Roswell, Montauk, and even more coming. So with the world of social media, do you have passionate zealots reaching out to you about their own theories, or disputing what you've discovered or stated in the episode?
I would say 98% of the feedback is constructive and it's good. But I have about 2% of people who just, you know, they come at me for not believing, for not... and I always tell them, I think you're coming at the wrong person. Contact my co-host. My co-host is the believer or the expert in that field. I am here to come in as a dispassionate observer and try to figure out what's going on. So you know, a lot of people will send me emails about UFOs, and I send those to Ryan. Ryan is my investigative partner in that specific realm. If somebody sends me something about Mothman, for example, you don't believe. With all due respect, it's not my responsibility, nor do I state that I'm a believer. So you know, people directing their anger, if you don't believe my story, I'm certainly able to listen to your story. But again, I'm not the person, I'm not the right person to come to with this. Now, you know, my career off of television, if I'm looking for a missing person, if I'm connecting a birth parent to the child they placed for adoption, that's different. I'm the subject matter expert, come to me with that. But you know, something like you were abducted by Mothman, and then you were, you know, government agent at the age of four. I can't help you with that. I don't know.
So you were mentioning kind of the differences with your off screen investigations and your career. What's it like working with different people who bring different skills? And I'm also curious do your PI skills ever kind of leak into interactions just in everyday life?
My kids will tell you they do. Yeah, so when my daughters were teenagers, they're grown now, but when they were teenagers, they could not ever have a plot without me knowing. My son's a teenager now and he's at the age where he thinks he's smarter than mom, and he's 14. And he's just not. So my youngest will eventually learn the same thing. So yes, it does absolutely crossover. As far as the first part of it, I'm sorry, what was the first? I got so excited talking about my kids. What was the first part of your question?
What's it like working with these different people who bring different types of skills?
Yes, you know, I know a good number of PIs that they're kind of jack of all trades. That is not me. I do not rely on this to make a living. So I'm very specific in the cases that I take. And I'm very generous with referrals. So if somebody comes to me and says, I need surveillance. Two people came to me today, they needed surveillance, I pass that off. I like to be hydrated. And as a woman surveillance does not allow that. So I just, I don't do surveillance anymore. It's not something I do. But when it's something that I'm passionate about, you know, I want to do that. Jennifer Owens who is on the Mothman episode. She is an audio and video expert. And I will use her if there's some thing that I can't figure out. So I love bringing in different PIs and saying, what is your skill set? Because for me, it's social media. A lot of the older PIs will say, you know, I don't know how to track this person down with this snapchat thingmabober, and I can go in and I can help them navigate that sort of stuff. And I love it because I'm of the generation that understands that, you know, and they're not. But we can help each other in that way. There's plenty of things that they've been able to teach me.
So speaking of your roster of contacts that you're building, as you heard from our review of your show, we did laugh a bit at your dynamic between you and Stephanie, the paranormal historian and psychic. Have y'all kept in touch?
Yes, it's funny because you know, editing is always going to capture the most salacious sort of stuff. Stephanie is a wonderful young woman. We are friends on Facebook. We chat on Instagram. You know, some things that happened off camera, you know, they happened off camera, so they didn't even make their way into the show. There was a child spirit that was kind of referenced when we were in the room were Abby Borden was found. And I can tell you that I felt something and I don't know what it was. It was this overwhelming feeling of euphoria with a hint or like a mist of affection that I feel for my young son because he's at that age where he needs the protection. And I thought this is so weird. As a skeptic, I should be annoyed that it's taking too long or I should be scared to be honest. But I didn't feel that. I felt that child type whatever it was come. And later when we were off camera, we were upstairs, I felt it come again. I said nothing. I said nothing at all. And Stephanie said to me, the child's back, do you feel it? I mean, at that point, it threw me so I thought that's a coincidence, could be coincidence. It happened again. So I do know that there are people who see and hear things that we don't necessarily. And who's to say that that couldn't be true. Most of them are probably frauds and fakers. But we don't understand how the brain works. So a lot of people said Stephanie is a fraud. She fooled you. This that or whatever. They didn't have access to the other things that we had. And she also, in something that was cut out, told me a story about my grandmother that I do not talk about online. Nothing. So to me, you know, certain things I can't explain. Is a possible she's a total fraud? It's possible. I don't think that's probable, no.
I'm curious about the editing with the episode, when Stephanie reached out to spirits, did it happen that quickly? Like, how it was in the episode?
No, no, no, it didn't. It took a long time. I mean I wouldn't say happen instantaneously, it didn't take an hour either. It took a while. And then the actual seance that we were in was probably 80 minutes. So it was a three minute segment. It was very lengthy. So you know, when you go in to do the editing, you don't want to waste precious time. So I took a long, long time. And the conversation Stephanie and I had about me even doing the seance was much longer because I didn't want to have any part of that. I just thought this is the fastest way to get laughed out of my community. So I was very clear with production. Please keep that in. Because if I go into this seance, my reputations trash in my community, if I just walk in and say, oh, that sounds fun, let's go conjure up some ghosts. That's not a thing that any reputable investigator signs on board with.
Yeah, I appreciate that you always make your point and your stance clear but you are open to at least seeing what these other investigators are about and what their perspectives are to judge it for yourself.
I feel like everybody comes from a different arena of life. Ryan, for example, he saw a UFO when he was younger. Who am I to come in and say this doesn't exist? The fact is, he's the subject matter expert. I'm coming in to investigate it from an outsider's point of view. So it's important to me, for them to know you can't pull the wool over my eyes, but also to be open to them in case they are telling the truth and they really do believe these things. And you know, I think the production company and the network has been really great about casting real people who actually believe this. It's never just some actor who's saying that they believe A, B or C. We have amazing conversations off camera talking about how passionate they are.
And kind of going back to your life as a PI, you hinted at some stories involving your children. Do you have any other wild stories you'd like to share? Or have you ever been caught while investigating someone?
Ooo, so yes, but I have a cover within a cover because I'm on TV. So now I'm on TV as a PI. So people, you know, people who watch The CW know that. There's still a lot of people in the United States who don't necessarily watch The CW, or any other network for that matter. So I have been, I don't want to say caught, but there's been a couple times where people have said, you just seem so familiar to me, if I've been tailing them for a few days. And twice, it's gotten a little heated, this was back in the day when I had mortgage commercials running, so I would say, oh, you know, I have this mortgage commercial that runs 30 times a day on Fox and MSNBC and you must have seen that. And people are going to default to that instead of thinking this person's following me. So that's happened. And then there was another time before technology got better, this was when I first started, where somebody had seen a pack, a recording pack, that was on my back through my shirt. And this was in an area where I could record legally, I want to put that out there because it's very dangerous as a PI to break laws. And what I did was I made them feel embarrassed because I told them I was a diabetic and that was an insulin pack. And I acted embarrassed, and I made them feel bad for pointing it out. And I immediately left and the person's face was just like, I just pointed out this person's medical issue, I just feel like a jerk. So it has happened far and few between.
You're very clever.
Yeah, that is so interesting that your exposure can become your cover. Cause in my mind, a PI is, you know, subterrain. I can never be identified or whatever. And so it's so interesting that you're like, oh, I'm on TV.
You know, at that point, listen, I'm a six foot tall redhead following you. At that point, regardless of what disguise I have on, I'm still a woman who's six feet tall. At that point, if somebody does recognize it, it's possible that they could have recognized me from TV. I don't think so. I think that they were like, wait, I keep seeing this person. Because the average PI you assume is like a 45 year old man who's kind of just blending in. So if they see that person, it's like a man looks like a man looks like a man. People have the same hairstyles, the same haircuts, the same whatever. Now if it was a guy, you know, with really long hair like a punk rocker or something, that's different because then that man sticks in your head. But most men are pretty nondescript. Women don't have that luxury.
True. Yeah. Wow. Another point for the patriarchy. And speaking of your acting, you've been featured on two of the BJ's favorite shows, Stranger Things and Timeless and a host of other projects. Are there any upcoming acting projects that you're excited about?
Yes, I will be on an episode of NCIS that's airing in October sometime. I have a really great movie coming out on Netflix called Texas Zombie Wars. And it's basically the United States has ceased to exist. New Texas has come in and I am an agent working for New Texas. And I play Agent Lane and she is... Agent Lane, yep, she's... don't cross Agent Lane. Let's put it that way.
When does that movie come out?
Comes out in December.
I'm ready too. We shot it a long time ago but post production takes a long time. I actually have seven movies I've shot that have not come out. So it's just a matter of they have to find a buyer and post production takes a while. It takes a long time in the business. So I shot a movie in 2013, I don't know where it is, who knows if it'll ever be seen.
And do you have any aspirations behind the camera with movies and shows.
I actually produce. So I've produced 15 PSAs and 10 more in post production. And I just booked an executive producer gig for a very high profile PSA. So producing is good because you don't really have to do anything. You know, as a producer, you just have to know great people. You function as a maven, you bring all of your people in, and you just work as someone who connects people. So I love producing. And it's something that you know, as a woman, when you hit 40 in Hollywood, the roles exponentially decrease. And it's unfortunate and I'll continue to advocate for inclusion of women over the age of 40. But it's a reality. And it's a fact. So I do have to prepare and I have to have a backup plan to a backup plan to a backup plan.
Your saying that immediately strikes in me the story behind Reese Witherspoon's production company where it truly surprised me when she talked about how she and the cast of Big Little Lies would chat and talk about the projects and how less interesting they became as soon as they were older than you know, 35-40 years old. Which is a wild concept, because you know, that's a room of Oscar winners talking to each other. But it's amazing that they turned that on its head and creative projects that exactly suit their interests. So I'm curious about if your interest in creating, along with your PSAs and other projects, more mystery series. So Nancy Drew is coming out on The CW this Fall, which I'm so excited about. That book series raised me. So curious about if anything like that you're hoping to create?
I would love love love to do a show. And I wish someone would contact me. I would love to do a show about missing people. Missing people or unsolved murders. This is why I don't want to do anything that's solved because that's just exploitative. I don't want to do that. I don't want to be exploitative towards those families. I want to work on cases where people need closure, they have to find out what happened to their loved one. And there are enough profiles in GEDmatch. GEDmatch is a service that Ancestry and 23andMe pulls from, that's basically how they found the Golden State Killer. Law enforcement can pull, they can track you back to a second cousin, a third cousin and try to find out who you are from there. There are enough samples stored that have been forgotten about in cold cases, that we could run those through GEDmatch. How do you find the funding for that? It's very difficult. There's enough redditors, who are armchair detectives. I just feel like right now, because everybody is so, you know, they're so active on social media, and they're so into being part of the show, no longer watching it. That I would love to work on a series where we can bring closure to some of these families because it is such a grave injustice that some of these people have loved ones who disappeared 5 years ago, 10 years ago, 20 years ago, and they don't know what happened to their loved one. Or someone was murdered and they have no idea what happened. Could you imagine the trauma of living with that every single day?
No, that's actually my first thought. When DeAngelo was caught, the Golden State Killer, I read that I'll Be Gone in the Dark book and so thinking about the trauma that these families experienced, and the idea that the surviving family members can now find this peace. Because in that book, there's a chapter dedicated to the husbands of the spouses who were assaulted by Golden State Killer, and so they didn't know what to do. And so people in that neighborhood got together and some of the husbands would just silently drive together at night patrolling the neighborhood. So it was a time where people didn't really talk about their feelings so they could at least do that, right? And and try to generate this feeling of we're doing something. And so the idea of those men, and maybe their kids feeling some sort of calm or relief from knowing we have them, was my first thought.
Oh, absolutely, absolutely. And don't get me wrong. I've loved shooting Mysteries Decoded. You know, because it's interesting and we're kind of educating a new generation. CW sways very young so we're kind of educating this new generation on some things that maybe haven't come on to their radar. But if I was able to do a show that could be educational in nature, you know, kind of like Unsolved Mysteries, but something where at the end of the day, I could say, I made a difference. Because that's what I try to do in my practice. I don't take on cases that are salacious or so and so's messing with so and so I don't do that. That's not where my heart lies. I don't like drama. I don't tend to get involved in drama on a personal level. I take on cases where I can make a difference in people's lives. There was a woman who came to me and said, I've never met my father, I don't think my father exists. She was a 60 year old realtor up in Northern California. She had known about the existence of her father for 40 years, hired PIs, they could never find him. I found him within three days. He was living in Germany. They met for the first time a few months ago. And she wrote me this heartfelt email and said, thank you so much. And at the time, I wasn't a licensed PI. So I didn't even charge her. I said, let me just see if I can do this. And that's when I started really wanting to find, you know, those missed connections, those lost connections. And he had no idea that she existed. And she proved they were father and daughter through a DNA test. So for me, you know, I was able to have them get together before he passed, because he's in his 80s. He could pass it, you know, any day now.
So speaking of ways that you can help people, we know that you've already been involved in philanthropic opportunities, like in Uganda, for the troops, and veterans. Is there any way our listeners can support any of your ventures?
Yes, yes. So right now I support two students who go to school in Uganda. You know, there it's very different. We take a lot of things for granted here. There without paying to go to school, it's very difficult for them to go to school. So without any sort of financial contributions, many children have to leave school early, go work, they call it in the garden, it's basically farming. They're working trade type jobs. Very few students are allowed the opportunity to go to high school, to go to university. So if it's something where you feel like, you know, I really want to help, an American dollar goes so far in East Africa. So my website is jennifermarshall.com, feel free to send me a message through there. All the donations that I get, you know, I let people know this is exactly what happened with it or your donation provided school supplies, your donations provided sanitary napkins for the girls. A lot of times girls there, they can't go to school during that week of the month, because they don't have a way to take care of their cycle needs, which is so unfortunate. So it's just a matter of people being aware, you know, if veterans is your thing, send me a message on the website. I'm an ambassador for an amazing group called Pin-Ups for Vets. We sell calendars. We go on a 50 state hospital tour to sit with veterans at their bedside. If there's some way where you say I'd like to help a veteran, send me a message and I'd be happy to help you help someone who could use that.
Awesome. And where else can our listeners find you on social media?
Yes, so I live tweet during the shows @jenn13jenn13, that's on Twitter, that's on Instagram. My Facebook is facebook.com/ActressJenniferMarshall. I love chatting with people. I try to get back to people as much as I can. My schedule is kind of crazy but when I have downtime. I just am so appreciative of the support that me as some girl that came from a one stoplight town who joined the Navy has gotten on this level. It kind of blows me away. And I'm very appreciative of that. So let's look up on social mediam have a chat, and let me know what you think of these mysteries that we're looking at.
And I'd love to end on an inspirational note, because your journey is so fascinating. And so do you have any words of inspiration for other people in one stoplight towns that they can achieve their dreams as well? Or even what they don't even know are their dreams yet?
Yes, I would say don't accept the narrative presented to you. When I was in high school, I had a very limited view of what was out there. I saw what was in my town, but I had a television. So I knew that there was more out there. I just didn't really know how to get there. I would say you are your only limitation. The sky's the limit. Stay in school. I say this with love, don't have a child before you can afford it. I love my children dearly. They came later in life because you have a lot of life to live before you do that journey. And I would also say to women who say well, I can't. I hear a lot of this, I can't finish my degree, I can't travel, you can do anything you want. It may take you longer. It may be a tougher road, but your kids will understand and they will love you for it. It took me five years to get my master's degree done inbetween adopting my children. No one ever has said to me, well, how long did it take you to get your master's? Cause it's irrelevant and I had circumstances other people don't have. So chase your dreams and know that sometimes it'll take you longer but that's fine. That's okay.
That was awesome. Thank you so much for coming by. I'm gonna save that just for myself as well.
Oh, girl, trust me there were so many times I was, you know, in the middle of my adoption thinking I can't do this. I've got all this stuff. I have all these documents. I have a horrible internet connection. I can't make this happen. And you know, it just it happens, itt happens. So have faith in yourself. Because if you don't believe in yourself who will, right?
True, that's what RuPaul ends every episode of Drag Race with. If you don't love yourself, how the hell are you going to love anybody else?
That is true. Amen. I need to watch me some RuPaul.
Well, thank you so much for joining us today.
Awesome. Thank you guys so much for your time and being so flexible with my bonkers schedule. I appreciate it.
No, thanks for making time to chat with us.
Yes, yes. So thank you, appreciate it. And you guys have a new listener, cause I didn't know you existed until then. So I was like, oh, this is awesome. Now I can go back and see what you guys say about pilots before I go and waste my time on shows because there's 554 scripted shows and I don't have time for this.
Yeah, that's why we made it.
Good. It's very helpful.
Cool. Thank you.
Thank you guys so much for your time. Have a great day.
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